Supremes Asked to Rule on Obama's Birth Certificate

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up = a=20 lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. = citizenship, an=20 appeal that legal experts believe has little chance of succeeding. = Several=20 legal challenges seek to derail Obama's election over accusations = that he=20 wasn't born a U.S. citizen or renounced his citizenship in = Indonesia.

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I think they should. Not just to have the accusers prove their = case,=20 but SCOTUS could make the State's authentication of Birth proof of = eligiblity for office.=20

Once SCOTUS does this, lower courts can point to this one and = shut down=20 the lawsuits.=20

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Lack of standing to sue? We are talking about the Office of the = President. Not the Office of the President-Elect that doesn't = exist.

Who has a right to challenge in court the eligibility of a = candidate?=20 Any American. If the Electoral College doesn't address it, there = has to be=20 recourse.

#1 | Posted by Petrous at 2008-12-04=20 01:12 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Well, you go right ahead, and let us know how it all turns=20 out.

#2 | Posted by Snark_Needleton at 2008-12-04=20 04:21 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If they accept the case, I don't think you'll need a = note.

#3 | Posted by Petrous at 2008-12-04=20 04:29 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Will the Supreme Court hear the case?"

In a word?
No.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis=20 at 2008-12-04=20 04:37 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If there was anything to this, the Clinton's would've exploited = it long=20 ago. More bullshit.

#5 | Posted by LeeAtwater=20 at 2008-12-04=20 06:57 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Since the whole world seems to be wrapped up in this, i = doubt the=20 scotus will hear it. they are not completely unaware of=20 politics.

#6 | Posted by Lipzoidial=20 at 2008-12-04=20 07:03 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Hell, for a minute I thought Dianna Ross and those other 2 = backup=20 lounge singers were going to rule on it.

#7 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-04=20 07:06 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I don't buy into the conspiracy of these Birthers at all, but = to play=20 devil's advocate for a moment, I wanted to toss out this question: = If=20 Obama were born outside the U.S., do you believe the Supremes = should at=20 this point declare him ineligible to serve as president and = repudiate his=20 election? Wouldn't the consequences of that act be intensely = damaging to=20 the country at a time of great national crisis?

Remember that these are justices who bought into the idea that = a=20 recount could damage the presidency irreperably by suggesting that = the=20 presumptive winner wasn't really the winner. If they have such=20 fine-grained concern for the country's delicate constitution -- as = opposed=20 to its Constitution -- wouldn't they be extremely reluctant to = overturn a=20 democratic election on Dec. 4?

#8 | Posted by rcade = at 2008-12-04=20 07:08 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Since the whole world seems to be wrapped up in this, i = doubt the=20 scotus will hear it. they are not completely unaware of = politics.

#6 | Posted by Lipzoidial

.003%

18% of registered American voters who approve of Bush. The rest = of us=20 know it's silly.

I don't know if anyone recalls that Nixon tried to suspend the=20 Constitution and the SCOTUS turned him down.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 07:10 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Hell, for a minute I thought Dianna Ross and those other 2 = backup=20 lounge singers were going to rule on it.

#7 | Posted by wisgod

They did rule on this.

Didn't you hear?

They told the whackjobs who are still on this silly kick = to...

* key music *

"Stop!

In the name of Love.

Before you Break my Heart."

And also to...

"Think it over."

Oh yeah, and THIS...

If there was anything to this, the Clinton's would've = exploited it=20 long ago. More bullshit.

#5 | Posted by LeeAtwater

On the money, Lee.

Be Well.

#10 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-12-04=20 07:10 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Considering the next president will appoint members of the SC = it makes=20 me wonder if the conservative majority may not be tempted to, at = least,=20 play with the idea of removing the elected President Elect. Sounds = crazy=20 yes, but then I sort of thought in 2000 they completely lost any = claim of=20 legitimate constitutional awareness. Show me in the constitution = where the=20 SC gets to choose the next president, they clearly overstepped = their=20 authority then but then they are also the final arbiter of that=20 controversy.

#11 | Posted by danni = at 2008-12-04=20 07:13 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Gee

Since Ann and Barack, Sr. were enrolled in school, you suppose = they'd=20 just traipse off to Kenya while she's 9 months pregnant?

This is such a silly quest for 'something, anything'.

The whole thing's a joke.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 07:16 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

What is the court going to do. Examine the document? I can see = it now,=20

Roberts - "What is the original intent of this = certificate?"

Stevens - "Yep"

Scalia - "Screw him he's a Muslim!"

Kennedy - "Let's get this over with I'm tired."

Souter - "Will he go after my home if I say no?"

Thomas - " "

Ginsberg - "Oh my Yes"

Breyer - "Who cares?"

Alito - "Whatever Scalia says."

#13 | Posted by Prolix247 at=20 2008-12-04=20 07:30 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Since Ann and Barack, Sr. were enrolled in school, you suppose = they'd=20 just traipse off to Kenya while she's 9 months pregnant?"

Would the airlines even let her fly back then, they wouldn't=20 now.

#14 | Posted by danni = at 2008-12-04=20 07:31 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Prolix247, one revision....

Ginsberg - What's this thing on top my soda can?

Thomas - Hee hee

#15 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-04=20 07:36 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Speaking of the SC, it seems to me that George Bush actually = even=20 exceeded their tolerance for unconstitutional policies regarding=20 imprisonment without recourse. Amazingly this court actually still = could=20 make me proud of America and our adherance to the rule of law even = in=20 regards to those who are accused of being terrorists dedicated to=20 destoying us and our way of life. Even the most conservative court = in my=20 life time wouldn't completely go along with all = Bush/Cheney/Gonzalez=20 wanted to do.

#16 | Posted by danni = at 2008-12-04=20 07:36 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

DANNI

The whole premise doesn't make sense. The idea she'd traipse = off to an=20 African country to have a baby is ludicrous.

The hospital in Honolulu has confirmed he was born there.

Probably another of Andy Martin's planted BS stories some are = foolish=20 enough to believe.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 07:46 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Wisgod - Good catch...

#18 | Posted by Prolix247 at=20 2008-12-04=20 07:52 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"The whole premise doesn't make sense. The idea she'd traipse = off to an=20 African country to have a baby is ludicrous."

I hope you don't think I disagree with that.
That's not what = I meant=20 above, I meant that some of the righties on the SC have already = shown us=20 that they aren't even limited by their powers under the = constitution and=20 they are very ideological people, which is the most dangerous kind = of=20 person. I don't think they could get a majority but just that some = of them=20 would actually think about preventing Obama from being president. = We'll=20 probably (hopefully) never know.

#19 | Posted by danni = at 2008-12-04=20 07:53 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I think he ought to produce the genuine article. After all, if = there's=20 nothing to hide, why doesn't he?

The whole thing's a joke.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The fact you think it's a joke is reason enough for me to want = to see a=20 real birth certificate.

#20 | Posted by American1st=20 at 2008-12-04=20 07:55 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

OK, which is it?

Was he born in Kenya?
Was he born in Hawaii, then renounced = his=20 citizenship in Yugoslavia?
Was he an immaculate conception and=20 therefore not a "naturally" born citizen?

The whole conspiracy thing would be more credible if they could = stick=20 to one set of accusations. Not much more credible, mind you,=20 but...

#21 | Posted by CricketCricket at 2008-12-04=20 07:55 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Danni, everyone knows that they would send out the flying = monkeys to=20 capture him, put him in a room with a hourglass and hope the = Scarecrow,=20 Tin-man and Cowardly lion wouldn't rescue him.

#22 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-04=20 08:00 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

DANNI

I was making a general statement.

AMERICAN1ST

Go for it. While you're at it you can prove Andy Martin's "He's = a=20 Muslim" claim, "went to a Madrassa", prove he 'swore his oath on = the=20 Koran', or any of the other ridiculous claims the FreeRepublic = crowd=20 swallows hook, line, and sinker.

Were you aware you have to be a U.S. Citizen to be in Congress? = Are you=20 aware that the FBI would have required to see naturalization = papers if=20 there were even a question of Obama's place of birth? That as a = member of=20 the Foreign Relations Committee he already had a Top Secret = clearance?

Spend all your time proving he was born in Kenya. In fact, you = should=20 go there and bring back proof. No one else has been able to. The = Hawiaan=20 Secretary of State has stated he was born in Hawaii.

if you go to Kenya, bring back some trinkets to share with the = class.=20 You sure won't be bringing back a birth certificate.

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 08:01 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Put an (R) next to his name, repeat the exact same = circumstances, and=20 say that, AU...

...Nevermind, you wouldn't. Because you're a party-line hack, = and=20 nothing more.

#24 | Posted by American1st=20 at 2008-12-04=20 08:05 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Sure, whatever you say AMERICAN!ST

Go to Kenya. The = world needs=20 to know !!!

While you're at it, could you pick up my $10,000,000 lottery = prize in=20 Nigeria?

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 08:08 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

No matter how many courts rule on this, some will use it to try = to=20 prove that the "uppitty" one isn't legit. It won't work but it = will be one=20 thing followed by another. But they aren't racists = right?

#26 | Posted by keith204 at 2008-12-04=20 08:17 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

At least 9 cases thrown out besides this one.
Alan Keyes = tried=20 it.

The NJ Court threw this one out.
Souter threw out the first = try to=20 get it before The SCOTUS.
Not content, Donofrio goes to. . = .

Thomas.

Thomas schedules it for the full Court to review. I wonder how = the full=20 Court will enjoy this little diversion?

What an embarrassment.

#27 | Posted by YAV at = 2008-12-04=20 08:18 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

hey, you people better tell this stuff to my former boss, Gen = Jim=20 Jones, a Republican, he was Commandant USMC. As a Marine I know a = lot=20 about this Great American Hero. He has clearly stated that he = trusts and=20 will serve Obama and the United States of America, as did Gates. = So you=20 better tell him and Gates about this. They actually said they = would be=20 proud to serve Obama and USA, so get cracking! We all know Obama = was born=20 on Krypton, and is son of Jo-Ral, he admitted that. There are many = American officials that need to be privy to this conspiracy you=20 intelligent people have uncovered, there's Luger, Hagel, Powell, = Rice, 48=20 state Governors that cheered Obama at a recent conference. You = gotta tell=20 them too. Then we need to charge state of Hawaii for participating = in this=20 scam, after all didn't they produce that fake death certificate = for Elvis=20 (Elvis living on Maui with BigFoot).

As for me, I, like Gen Jones, intend to support Obama and his = newly=20 selected cabinet and fully agree with what those Governors said = about and=20 to Obama at their conference.

Those of you that hate that caricature of Obama created by nut = jobs can=20 leave the country.

Recall that lady saying Obama was an Arab, McCain corrected her = , :..no=20 he isn't". After the rally a newsperson interviewed that lady and = found=20 that McCain wasted his time trying to correct an idiot. You will = get the=20 same results trying to correct the "born in Kenya" crowd. These = people are=20 really suckers

That Donofrio court docket can be seen at:
origin.ww= w.supremecourtus.gov
note=20 that no attorneys for respondants are given (guess why), this case = won't=20 do what you think it will, those pinning their hateful hopes on = this case=20 will severely disappointed.

#28 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 08:19 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"What an embarrassment."

Posted by YAV

Just in:

The Vogons have postponed obliterating Earth simply because = it's so=20 entertaining.

#29 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-12-04=20 08:21 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Well not really a document expert but I do have a Hawaii birth=20 certificate and mine looks just like Obama's.

When I got married I ordered a copy of my Birth Certificate and = it was=20 exactly like Obama's that he first posted. In fact were I to run = for=20 president I suspect I would have even worse problems than Obama = since I=20 was adopted and you can see where they changed parents name to = reflect my=20 adopted parents. I'm sure someone would try and make an issue out = of=20 that.

Just saying until you know what a Hawaii Birth Certificate is = suposed=20 to look like how can you claim this one is a fake?

#30 | Posted by TaoWarrior=20 at 2008-12-04=20 08:26 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

While you're at it, could you pick up my $10,000,000 lottery = prize=20 in Nigeria?

~AU

FF fer AU!

Spud's take on the whole "Obama aint an American" and similar = tales of=20 madness from the far out right is that they are in the process of = going=20 through the "7 stages of Grief" and are, apparently, still stuck = on the=20 first one.

Denial.

Peace.

Be Well.

/Did ya get Spud's return email?

#31 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-12-04=20 08:26 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

The Vogons have postponed obliterating Earth simply because = it's so=20 entertaining.

That got me chuckling. Much appreciated.

#32 | Posted by YAV at = 2008-12-04=20 08:27 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Did ya get Spud's return email?

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 08:33 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"That got me chuckling. Much appreciated."

Posted by YAV

Life is short.
I'll be here all week.
Try the = veal.

#34 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-12-04=20 08:57 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

It's simple. All Obama has to do is spend $20 and request from = Hawaii=20 an embossed, CERTIFIED COPY of his real Birth Certificate. Not a = copy of=20 Hawaii's "Certificate of Live Birth" (which is not the same thing = and does=20 not show actual place of birth) but an embossed, CERTIFIED copy of = his=20 real Birth Certificate signed by the Hawaiian state officials who = handle=20 these matters.

Hawaiian law states an embossed certified copy of his birth = certificate=20 can ONLY be given either to Obama or to his family members -- no = one else=20 can request it.

Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone = else's=20 time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in = two=20 seconds? The longer Obama lets this issue drag on the more = suspicion is=20 aroused and the more rumors can build up.

If Obama was born IN the State of Hawaii, then I can't = understand the=20 reasoning behind his hesitating to do so. I wondered back when = this issue=20 first reared its head why Obama and the officials in his campaign = didn't=20 get this matter taken care of back then.

To waste valuable Supreme Court time to deliberate this matter = when=20 Obama could easily prove his actual PLACE of birth is not a good = way to=20 start off his Presidency.

I voted for Obama and want him to be found legally eligible = under our=20 U.S. Constitution to able to hold office as the President of the = U.S.. But=20 he ought to quit dancing around the issue and produce the real = embossed,=20 certified copy of his birth certificate for all to see -- no just = some=20 online digital copy.

I don't get what the holdup is all about.

#35 | Posted by CalifChris=20 at 2008-12-04=20 09:01 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"If Obama were born outside the U.S., do you believe the = Supremes=20 should at this point declare him ineligible to serve as president = and=20 repudiate his election? Wouldn't the consequences of that act be = intensely=20 damaging to the country at a time of great national = crisis?"

Courts are supposed to rule based on the laws of the United = States,=20 without regard for what the results of the case may be. The = supposed=20 consequences of turning the 2004 election the other way was not = the basis=20 for their ruling. Commenting within the ruling about what the = particular=20 results may be, while probably irresistible for some justices, is = always=20 accompanied by a proper legal analysis.

That said, I don't think there is any basis for these lawsuits, = mostly=20 because I don't think anyone could get this far without that sort = of thing=20 being "checked out." I also read Philip Berg's complaint which was = laughable, citing wikipedia and "books he has read," etc. So,=20 no.

#36 | Posted by JOE at = 2008-12-04=20 09:12 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Chris, what if there isn't a birth certificate (playing devil's = advocate here)? He could have still been born in the US; the = absence of a=20 birth certificate is not proof he was born elsewhere.

#37 | Posted by Jay at = 2008-12-04=20 09:15 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone = else's=20 time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in = two=20 seconds? The longer Obama lets this issue drag on the more = suspicion is=20 aroused and the more rumors can build up."

My guess is that he was hoping for some prominent Republicans = to latch=20 onto it so he could make them look stupid.

#38 | Posted by JOE at = 2008-12-04=20 09:16 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"I don't get what the holdup is all about."
you don't keep = up do=20 you, his emossed BC authenticated by factcheck, and for those that = don't=20 like factcheck, it was also aauthenticated by World Net = Daily

quote=20 from WND article:
A separate WND investigation into Obama's = birth=20 certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to = be=20 authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of = the=20 bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in = that a=20 few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that = weren't=20 originally there.

original article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=3DPAGE.view&pageId=3D= 73214
now=20 explain that one deluded people, come on now tell me!

by the way WND readers complained about that article so WND = took it off=20 line, they did archive it however. Their recent aricles flow with = the=20 wingnuts now, strange huh! Good Christian Ethics!

#39 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 09:18 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Again, whatever was good enough for the FBI when doing a = background=20 check on Obama before he was sworn in as a Senator and then given = a Top=20 Secret clearance should be good enough for any idiot who questions = it.

Also, when filing to be a candidate for President with the = Federal=20 Election Commision, you have to prove you are a natural born = citizen in=20 order to get on a ballot in any state.

I wouldn't post my original birth certificate online for any = amount of=20 money.

The Hawaiian Secretary of State has seen all the proof she = needed to=20 certify Obama was born in Hawaii.

Guess idiots have to have something to keep them = busy.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 09:20 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

World Nut Daily? Fuck, you could have just said Barbara = Steisand=20 verified it. Douche.

#41 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-04=20 09:22 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I look forward to the day when America is at civil war and = we can=20 once and for all purge the undesiribles that are destorying this = great=20 nation.

Me too. I'm suggesting Idaho for all the Rushbots

The NeoCons have done a good job destroying the economy, 40,000 = American soldiers and 1,000,000 Iraqis lives.

Good riddance when you all decide to leave the rest of us = what's left=20 of America and go hunt elk

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 09:32 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

When filing to be a candidate for President with the Federal = Election=20 Commision, you have to prove you are a natural born citizen in = order to=20 get on the ballot in any state.

Duh

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-04=20 09:37 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"World Nut Daily? Fuck, you could have just said Barbara = Steisand=20 verified it. Douche."

amazing, huh, they took it off quickly though, their wingnut = readers=20 complained too much. Good ol' Christians!

#44 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 09:42 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

SCOTUS only gets to steal one election. Sorry = bushies.

#45 | Posted by Terminus at 2008-12-04=20 09:50 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If Obama were born outside the U.S., do you believe the = Supremes should=20 at this point declare him ineligible to serve as president and = repudiate=20 his election?

Yup-since its pretty well laid out in the Constitution. But, = given the=20 certificate has already been verified, this makes the 2000 chad = counters=20 valid.

some folks just don't cotton to the idea of a colored = President. Since=20 McLost was a foreign born kinda guy, does that mean Nader wins by=20 default?

#46 | Posted by northguy3 at=20 2008-12-04=20 10:04 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

in talking to a "Elvis is Alive" believer I realized that's the = same=20 kind of person that believes Obama was born in Kenya, no proof = will ever=20 convince the deluded. So posting logical or true statements on = this is a=20 waste of time. They are even deluded as what the Supreme Court is = doing on=20 this, mainly because of misleading statements by Berg & Martn = &=20 Donofrio. Berg said "...Obama must respond to the court by Dec 1", = that=20 was bull pupu, see rule 11 at Supreme Court site, the respondants = waived=20 any response (i.e. they didn't and won't respond) Berg said that = to get=20 funds from suckers.

How far will this delusion go? Dec 15 Obama's electors vote and = on Jan=20 20th Obama is sworn in.
I'm sure the deluded will continue = their brain=20 farts!

#47 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 10:07 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

some folks just don't cotton to the idea of a colored = President.=20

*sigh*

Just a taste of what we will get to put up for the next four = years. If=20 someone says anything negative about Obama, that person just = don't=20 cotton to a colored presdent.

When will American wake up and leave racism behind = them?

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04=20 10:08 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

#49 | Posted by goatman

That came from one of his followers. No foul according to the = lefty=20 playbook of political correctness. I'd be banned permanently,=20 however.

#49 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-04=20 10:12 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

*sigh*

Just a taste of what we will get to put up for the next four = years. If=20 someone says anything negative about Obama, that person just don't = cotton=20 to a colored presdent.

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04 10:08 PM | Reply | = Flag:

After 7 years of being called a traitor when disagreeing with = bush=20 policies, I'm tempted to tell you to just suck it up.

However, you're right. It isn't fair for legitimate criticisms = to be=20 met with such malice and bullshit.

#50 | Posted by Terminus at 2008-12-04=20 10:17 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

And goatman:

The certificate thing is a crock. Thats why race is being = brought into=20 it, this is so obviously a desperate attempt to derail a = presidency before=20 its even begun.

Frankly, i see it as more of a partisan issue, than one of = race, but=20 that view doesn't surprise me either.

#51 | Posted by Terminus at 2008-12-04=20 10:19 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

#35 | Posted by CalifChris

Obama is not wasting anybody's time. Those bringing the = frivolous=20 lawsuits are doing that. I suspect the reason he has ignored these = suits=20 has more to do with precedent than anything else. Responding to = them lends=20 them credence, which in turn could open the floodgates for myriad = such=20 silly suits against public figures.

Other points to note:

First - Had the Obamas actually been in Kenya when Barack was = born they=20 could not have brought him right back to the US. When only 1 = parent is a=20 US citizen, there is considerable paperwork, including getting the = baby a=20 passport, required to bring it back into the country.

Second - In Indonesia you don't get citizenship by being = adopted by and=20 Indonesian citizen. There is also a lengthy naturalization process = required. There is record of neither, in the Obama/Soetoro=20 family.

#52 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04=20 10:20 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Frankly, i see it as more of a partisan issue, than one of=20 race,

Me, too. That was my (not too well made) point.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04=20 10:22 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?"
I = believe=20 that poster agrees with you, but the "Obama born in Kenya" idiots = appear=20 in their comments to be racists, then they hit "you gotta honor = the=20 constituion" having never actually read it.

latest Gallup polls show 78% suport and trust in Obama and his = cabinet=20 selections so far, so the race issue is being left behind, that's = good=20 news. my former boss, Marine Commandant Gen Jim Jones says he will = give=20 100% support to Obama. As a Marine I would give 900% support to = Jim Jones,=20 a Republican!

Rasmussen polls close to Gallup
as a side note my Marine = outfit was=20 VMA224
(US Marine Air Wing)

#54 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 10:26 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

... Marine Commandant Gen Jim Jones says he will give 100% = support=20 to Obama.

I certainly hope so! He raised his right hand and took an oath = saying=20 he would.

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04=20 10:29 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Shhhh SanAntonioRogue, mustn't use logic and Immigration = rules...not=20 allowed with the Wingnuts...

#56 | Posted by SamBarber at=20 2008-12-04=20 10:34 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

#49 | Posted by goatman

Ask this guy....

For the idiot that said Obongo's mom and the baby daddy were = in=20 school at the time of his birth so they wouldn't just wander off = to Africa=20 in the middle of a school year....Obongo Jr was born in early = August and=20 school was not in session.
#41 | Posted by NonPCPerson

When idiots like that stop making racist comments, then others = can be=20 sure that opinions are not based on race.

#57 | Posted by TFDNihilist=20 at 2008-12-04=20 10:38 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

From the article--

Many petitioners seeking stays of pending events have their = cases=20 distributed to the full court, he said. Of those, Volokh found = that 782=20 were denied in the last eight years while just 60 were heard and = not all=20 of those ultimately were successful.
---------
Less than 10% = get=20 heard-It is highly unlikely that this case will be heard.

The link to the case only shows the top part of the page?

So this is like the 17th friggin thread for this birth = certifcate=20 issue?

I hope the SCOTUS stops the madness--one way or another.

The certificate has been authenticated--by all = accounts.

The question is the trip to Indonesia and renouncing = citizenship. In=20 order to attend Jakarta's schools you have to be a citizen of = Indonesia=20 and thus renouncing or giving up US citizenship.

If That is the question in this lawsuit the SCOTUS may hear the = case.

Just don't see it happening. HI confirms the certificate--and = crazy=20 statements from family --in the media--could not overturn HI state = officials.

#58 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 10:40 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I'm asking everyone, TFD.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04=20 10:42 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

The question is the trip to Indonesia and renouncing = citizenship. In=20 order to attend Jakarta's schools you have to be a citizen of = Indonesia=20 and thus renouncing or giving up US citizenship.

I think I addressed that above. And citizenship was and is not = required=20 to attend school in Indonesia, at least not according to my = mother-in-law=20 who taught school there since the mid-60's.

#60 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04=20 10:45 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Murphy-
re:" The question is the trip to Indonesia and = renouncing=20 citizenship."

You guys go! And please also trot Sarah! up in 2012.

Thanks.

#61 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-04=20 10:49 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Don't worry...
Sarah! will trot her herself up in 2012, = asked or=20 no.

#62 | Posted by SamBarber at=20 2008-12-04=20 10:52 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Tell me more, SAM. Talk more about how the nativist nutcases of = the=20 country will nominate Sarah Palin to run against Obama in 2012, = much to=20 the disappointment and woe of anyone with both a brain and a care = for the=20 future of the Republican Party...

It's so soothing....

Murphy...please tell me more. I must have both of you at = once!!

(LOL)

#63 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-04=20 10:58 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Since it makes no sense to the left, why do you suppose obama = is=20 holding back showing his real birth records, the one that was = posted on=20 his website was looked at by an expert and he said it was a = forgery, I=20 have my birth certificate here at my home, why does he not just = have the=20 real long birth form posted on the website and be done with it, he = has to=20 date spent about 5 million just fighting this, does it make sense? =
On=20 the other hand if he is a fraud and later on we find out he is a = fraud and=20 a liar, we know he is a liar but if we find out he is a fraud, = everything=20 he has done up to that point becomes invalid.
I believe the = man is=20 lying, I would have posted my birth record in a heart beat, what = possible=20 damage could this do to anyone?

#64 | Posted by bushtwice at=20 2008-12-04=20 11:03 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Oh dear.

#65 | Posted by YAV at = 2008-12-04=20 11:07 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"First - Had the Obamas actually been in Kenya when Barack was = born=20 they could not have brought him right back to the US. When only 1 = parent=20 is a US citizen, there is considerable paperwork, including = getting the=20 baby a passport, required to bring it back into the country."

my daughter was born in Japan, I am an American my spouse is = not, it=20 was very difficult to get her back to US, took 3 months and lots = of paper=20 (big paper trail), that was in 1965, I'm sure Obama would have = same=20 problems in 1961.

stange though, many searched for evidence of Kenyan to Hawaii = flight,=20 they also searched passport info, then gave up. Hey, how did those = birth=20 notices appear in Hawaii, was it by time machine, because both = papers=20 require gov proof for printing these, another = conspiracy!

#66 | Posted by onna = at 2008-12-04=20 11:09 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Why do you think Vince Foster had to die?

#67 | Posted by Jay at = 2008-12-04=20 11:15 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

BUSHTWICE
"expert and he said it was a forgery"
so who is = this=20 expert and why is he a secret
check this link from the people = that hate=20 Obama:

quote from WND article:
A separate WND investigation into = Obama's=20 birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the = document to be=20 authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of = the=20 bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in = that a=20 few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that = weren't=20 originally there.

original article archived at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=3DPAGE.view&pageId=3D= 73214

by the way this was deleted and is only available on archive = because=20 many of their wingnut readers complained about it, they hate = Obama

so BUSHTWICE explain this will you?
this was also check at = two fact=20 checking sites, but you wouldn't know that will you, just believe = the=20 crap.
I guess conspiracy crap is more suitable to you. What = will you=20 say on Dec 5, Dec 15, Jan 20? Get a brain!

#68 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 11:19 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Ok --so went searching--

Here--

Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case - Leo = C.=20 Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State = of New=20 Jersey - US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 - for a conference of = the nine=20 Justices.

If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full = review,=20 oral argument may be ordered. The conference is scheduled for = December 5,=20 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.

The case originally sought, pre-election, to have the names = of=20 Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero removed from New = Jersey=20 ballots, and for a stay of the "national election" pending Supreme = Court=20 review of whether those candidates were eligible under the = Constitution as=20 natural born Citizens, as is required by Article 2, Section 1, = Clause 5 of=20 the Constitution of the United States.

Leo Donofrio brought his case from a lower New Jersey court to = the NJ=20 Supreme Court - was denied - and then he filed an emergency stay=20 application in the United States Supreme Court on Nov. 3, 2008, = before the=20 Honorable Associate Justice David Souter. Justice Souter denied = the=20 emergency stay application on Nov. 6.

Leo Donofrio renewed the application, as per Supreme Court = Rule=20 22.4, to the Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas by way of = Express=20 mail on Nov. 14. The application arrived at the Supreme Court on = Nov. 17=20 and was submitted directly to Justice Thomas.

On Nov. 19, the case was docketed for full conference of all = nine=20 Justices and scheduled for December 5, 2008. It is not known at = this time=20 the exact details of how the case came to be "DISTRIBUTED for = Conference".=20

http://www.blogtext.= org/naturalborncitizen/

And here

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/us-supreme-court-decisi= ons-on-berg.html

#69 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:21 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Here--?

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/us-supreme-court-decisi= ons-on-berg.html

#70 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:23 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

It's nice to see the rightwingers are the ones being the = fucking=20 nutcases again. This last year between accusing Hillary of killing = Vince=20 Foster and Palin of... well damned near everything.. the = Republicans were=20 looking downright _sane_.

It's good to get back to the status quo.

#71 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-12-04=20 11:23 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Since it makes no sense to the left, why do you suppose obama = is=20 holding back showing his real birth records, the one that was = posted on=20 his website was looked at by an expert and he said it was a = forgery,"

Asked and answered over and over and over again.

But just to add to what VMA posted, I give you this (for the = 1,347th=20 time)

htt= p://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some = time with=20 the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is = real and=20 three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in = Chicago. We can=20 assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and = that it's=20 stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who = uses a=20 signature stamp rather than signing individual birth = certificates). We=20 even brought home a few photographs.

The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe=20 Miller

Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp

The raised seal

Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which = haven't=20 been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 = degrees for=20 viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department = requires for=20 proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, = the full=20 name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the = birth=20 record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the = official=20 custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, = and filing=20 date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the = seal=20 above.

For even more debunking, go here...

http:/= /www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

#72 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04=20 11:27 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"I believe the man (Obama) is a liar...."

That the less sane among the right-wing were forging forgeries = of that=20 famous certificate has been known for months.

You guys really needed to lose.

#73 | Posted by Zed at = 2008-12-04=20 11:28 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

It is not known at this time the exact details of how the case = came to=20 be "DISTRIBUTED for Conference".

#70 | Posted by MURPHY

I saw where someone posted that you claimed to be a lawyer. = Then you=20 should know exactly how that works, right?

#74 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04=20 11:30 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

So on the Donofrio suit --

The guy is claiming that since Obama was born tro Obama Sr. = --even in=20 HI--he is considered a British citizen and/or dual citizenship and = disqualifies Obama to be POTUS.

And the reason for no attorneys on the Donofrio suit is because = he is a=20 an attorney himself.

And if Clarence gets the nod by four justices--they will hear = the=20 case.

#75 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:31 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

San--I have never claimed to be a lawyer--Reagan purported--he = thought=20 I was--I straightened him out. 'o)

#76 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:33 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

The Constitution states "natural born" if I'm not mistaken. = Doesn't say=20 anything about who your damned father was.

You people really needed to lose.

#77 | Posted by Zed at = 2008-12-04=20 11:34 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Here from the blog text site

Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia = issues. They=20 are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. = Since=20 Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject = to the=20 jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's = birth,=20 then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the = Framers=20 of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an = original=20 birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still = wouldn't be=20 eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their = birth, were=20 also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, = while they=20 were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not = "natural born=20 Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in = Article 2,=20 Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of = the United=20 States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be = eligible=20 to the Office of President;

That's it right there. (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, = but=20 they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander = In Chief=20 who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were = comfortable=20 making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create = the=20 Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility = of future=20 generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of = Foreign=20 Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers = and=20 Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of. =

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be = President as=20 "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in = for the=20 limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the = Presidency=20 in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President = under the=20 grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the = US at the=20 time the Constitution was adopted.

The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and = all other=20 "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th = Amendment only=20 confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The = Framers=20 were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put = the stigma=20 of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the = Constitution and=20 they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been = "natural=20 born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British = jurisdiction at=20 their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to = British=20 jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a = "natural born Citizen" of the United States.

#78 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:34 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Born undere the jurisdiction of foreign powers...."

You're applying this to Obama? Now be honest, you can't see how = silly=20 this all looks?

#79 | Posted by Zed at = 2008-12-04=20 11:37 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Hey I have been saying this was a crazy issue from the first = time it=20 was posted--16 threads ago.

I don't understand why the SCOTUS would even consider looking = at=20 this--so I am searching around and posting for folks to read=20 themselves.

I dont know why they are ignoring the mother--Ann was US=20 citizen--right?

Like Zed posted above--it wouldn't matter what the father was = if one=20 parent is a US citizen.

#80 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:37 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Let me phrase this a bit differently---The "jurisdiction" = asserted=20 exists only in your mind.

#81 | Posted by Zed at = 2008-12-04=20 11:38 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Sorry, Murphy---I obviously didn't understand where you were = going with=20 this. My apologies.

#82 | Posted by Zed at = 2008-12-04=20 11:39 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Whether or not the claim is specious, the fact is that there = are=20 Constitutional requirements. The fact that the legal system = operates to=20 prevent anyone from having the standing to challenge the = authenticity of=20 eligibility is a shortcoming of the system. Some law should be = enacted=20 requiring documentation to be presented to establish eligibility,=20 regardless of what is required.

#83 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-12-04=20 11:39 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he = was a=20 British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his = web=20 site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, = the web=20 site lists the following information and link thereto:

FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack's Citizenship

"When = Barack Obama=20 Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British = colony,=20 still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan = native,=20 Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status = was=20 governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act = governed=20 the status of Obama Sr.s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor = sworn=20 an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship = automatically=20 expired on Aug. 4,1982."

That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen = "at=20 birth".

My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at = birth" and=20 therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born = citizen"=20 of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other = jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United = States. The=20 Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be = ignored.=20 The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born = citizen",=20 pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth". =

The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his = eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, = "at=20 birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the = issue of=20 Constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether Obama was = born in=20 Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. = Should=20 Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in = Hawaii,=20 it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at = birth".=20

Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". = And as=20 will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British=20 jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be = President of=20 the United States.

As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, = the 14th=20 Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere = in its=20 text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is = a=20 "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the = United=20 States.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the = United=20 States:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the = United=20 States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be = eligible=20 to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible = to that=20 Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five = Years, and=20 been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a = Citizen of=20 the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this = Constitution..."=20 You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the = Constitution=20 were, at birth, born as British subjects.

#84 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:40 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Some law should be enacted requiring documentation to = be=20 presented to establish eligibility, regardless of what is=20 required.

You wanna try that again?

#85 | Posted by YAV at = 2008-12-04=20 11:41 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

And the guy thinks that Mccain is not elegible for POTUS = either..

The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born = citizens"=20 and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them = to become=20 President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who = were=20 Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption. And so, = Barack Obama=20 is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither = is John=20 McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was = born in=20 Nicaragua.

#86 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:41 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I don't see it--don't see this going anywhere--Obama has a HI = birth=20 certificate and all this British stuff is a non issue. Appears to = me=20 anyway.

#87 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-04=20 11:43 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"And the reason for no attorneys on the Donofrio suit is = because he is=20 a an attorney himself."

it clearly states Attorneys for Petitioner:
Leo C. Donofrio = but no=20 respndant attorneys

the question was about respondants attorneys, NJ or Obama, why = are they=20 not listed?

look at the Berg Docket, respondants listed (FEC)
origin.ww= w.supremecourtus.gov

in Berg case respondant lawyer is Gregory G. Garre Solicitor = General=20 Dept of Justice

now why none in Donofrio case? 3 guesses! (what does it mean to = the=20 case)

#88 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-04=20 11:44 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

San--I have never claimed to be a lawyer--Reagan purported--he = thought=20 I was--I straightened him out. 'o)

#77 | Posted by MURPHY

Thanks for the 411.

#89 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04=20 11:44 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

And the reason for no attorneys on the Donofrio suit = is=20 because he is a an attorney himself

Is this an "Edgar suit"?

(free year subscription to the DR to whoever gets the = joke)

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04=20 11:51 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Is this an "Edgar suit"?

"Edgar, your skin is hangin off your bones."

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite=20 at 2008-12-04=20 11:53 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Edgar, your skin is hangin off your bones."

And Edgar was played by Vincent Donofrio

*ding ding ding*

We have a winner!

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04=20 11:56 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Sounds crazy yes, but then I sort of thought in 2000 they = completely=20 lost any claim of legitimate ... blah, blah, blah

#11 | Posted by danni at 2008-12-04 07:13 PM | Reply

Get over it already.

Do you still bitch at your ex-husband for drinking out of the = milk=20 carton 20 years ago?

Besides, Gore was the one who dragged it into court = first.

#93 | Posted by vernon at 2008-12-04=20 11:58 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"What is your major malfunction numbnuts?! didn't mommy and = daddy give=20 you enough attention when you were a child!"

#94 | Posted by Alexandrite=20 at 2008-12-04=20 11:58 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

MURPHY

"San--I have never claimed to be a lawyer--Reagan = purported--he=20 thought I was--I straightened him out. 'o)

#77 | Posted by MURPHY"

Thanks for the 411.

#90 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04 11:44 PM

I thought were a lawyer too, and in fact mentioned it on the = Wal-Mart=20 lawsuit thread last night in post to you. You didn't see it, I = guess, as=20 you never came back ON the thread. May have been where SAR thought = the=20 same thing.

I guess I figured you as being a lawyer 'cause I seem to = remember you=20 saying recently were going to an arbitration? (or mediation?) = hearing and=20 just from general gist of conversations I was under the impression = you=20 were a lawyer involved in insurance claims, or similar type of = law.=20

#95 | Posted by CalifChris=20 at 2008-12-05=20 12:13 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

MURPHY

My post to you over on the Wal-Mart thread started out saying = "As a=20 lawyer you...." and it sure shook HillbillyDeluxe down to his toes = when he=20 read it! You can read his post over there.

#96 | Posted by CalifChris=20 at 2008-12-05=20 12:16 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

here's an interesting tidbit, on another blog someone asked = "what if=20 Supreme Court" certified Obama as natual born, the first response, = "we=20 will organize a massive rally in front of the courthouse", Wow, = how can 6=20 people be a massive rally?

#97 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 12:33 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

each state has an election commission that certifies = candidates
here=20 is California requirements:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/election_2008/qualification= s/dempres_2008.pdf
basically=20 it says:
The candidate must be:
A. A natural-born citizen of = the=20 United States,
B. At least 35 years of age, and
C. A = resident of the=20 United States at least 14 years.

here is the certified list of 2008 candidates that were = certified by=20 Debra Bowen:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/election_2008/cer= tified_list_of_candidates_08292008.pdf

the Keyes / Obama case is a state case against Debra Bowen for=20 certifying Obama
the Donfrio case is similar against state of = New=20 Jersey
Good Luck on that, will these idiots file 50 of these = (for each=20 state)
guess where all these are going, so far 15 dismissed = (Keyes=20 hasn't filed yet)

if you wish to follow up on Supreme Court cases
go to: =
http://=20 origin.www.supremecourtus.gov
click on "Docket"
at prompt, = type case=20 number or search name
i.e. "Berg" or "Donofrio"

good idea to check Supreme Court site as wingnuts are = misleading what's=20 going on there and they pinning their hopes on a decision that = won't come,=20 Sorry!

note that on Donofrio case there is no Respondant lawyer listed = (Defendant) What does that mean?

Jan 20 will be witnessed by over 80 million (4 mil in DC), = Obama=20 haters, just don't watch OK?

#98 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 01:10 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

sorry, that link to Supreme Court was:

origin.www.supremecourtus.= gov

#99 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 01:14 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Why do you think Vince Foster had to die?

#68 | Posted by Jay

I'm reading former FBI director Louis Freeh's = autobiography.

He was friends with both Foster and his boss, White House = Counsel=20 Bernard Nussbaum.

Foster committed suicide. Freeh was head of the FBI when it = happened.=20 He and the FBI looked into it because Foster was a WH employee, = and as I=20 mentioned a friend of Foster's boss, Bernard Nussbaum. He says all = the=20 talk about Foster being murdered is balderdash.

Freeh is a straight shooter, and a Republican. When he = graduated from=20 Rutgers he tried desperately to get into West Point - at the = height of=20 antiwar protests that regularly shut down the campus.

BTW, Freeh's book is a great read.

#100 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-05=20 01:50 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's = citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point = to the=20 website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's = Department of=20 Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, = as=20 proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters = also make=20 it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the = United=20 States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.)

Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project = of the=20 Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of = the=20 Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health=20 Department officials did not state that Obama has an original = birth=20 certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to = FactCheck.org to=20 prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a = certificate of=20 live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as = legal proof=20 of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses = have come=20 forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but = Obama's=20 grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his = birth in=20 Kenya.

Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just = doesn't spend=20 something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep = one's=20 birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I = personally have=20 had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before = they would=20 agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth = certificate is=20 not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records = again, not a=20 big deal.

But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, = and will=20 it succeed?

Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that = the=20 Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just = an old=20 piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the = Supreme=20 Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for = president, are=20 impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing = it.

http://www.the= newamerican.com/usnews/election/562

#101 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-12-05=20 07:47 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

You just keep pursuing it for the next four or eight years.

It'll keep you occupied.

#102 | Posted by TedBaxter at=20 2008-12-05=20 07:54 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

#102 | Posted by TheOneBS

Let me know how things turn out on that perpetual motion = machine=20 thingy, okay? Like, maybe, in 2382 or early 2383 at the latest, = right?=20 Thanks.

PS: Then you can get to work on explaining how the US = Constitution was=20 improperly created and is therefore not in effect. And don't = forget the=20 unconstitutionality of the federal income tax. If you run across = Adolf=20 Hitler or the Lindbergh baby, turn them both in. There are = probably still=20 rewards outstanding.

#103 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis=20 at 2008-12-05=20 08:06 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Foster committed suicide"

classic cia hit...

#104 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 08:16 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Freeh ride: in his memoirs, the former FBI director tries to = explain=20 away the disasters on his watch.

http://www.thefreelibra= ry.com/Freeh+ride:+in+his+memoirs,+the+former+FBI+director+tries+to+expla= in...-a0142574094

lol

#105 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 08:22 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If you run across Adolf Hitler or the Lindbergh baby, turn them = both=20 in. There are probably still rewards outstanding.

#104 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

like for Bin Laden?:>)

(Now Dead) Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered

uk.youtube.com

#106 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 08:25 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that = the=20 Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just = an old=20 piece of paper"

yes, you need to sue State of Hawaii for sending fake BC to = Obama, also=20 file charges against US State Dept for issuing passport, that too = violates=20 constition

also file charges against THEONEBS's favotite news source, = World Net=20 Daily, as they too found Obama's BC not a forgery.

but what should we do about that time machine, the one used to = go back=20 and get Obama's birth notices in 2 Hawai newspapers, they need = proof,=20 violates the constitution

THEONEBS should be prosecuted, for he too violated the = constitution,=20 doesn't the constitution ban stupidity?

#107 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 08:27 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

as for Obama's birth certificate...it's really funny that = superbady=20 Obama flew in from Africa to get his birth announcement in the = Honululu=20 Advertiser & Honululu Star that day as well:>)LOL

digg.com

#108 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 08:38 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did = not state=20 that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii.

#102 | Posted by TheOneBS

Hopelessly behind the curve yet again. Poor old Theo.

"Also in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that = they had=20 personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth = certificate:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in=20 Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the=20 registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally = verified that=20 the health department holds Obama's original birth = certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Gov. Linda = Lingle, ever=20 instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from = any=20 other.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth = certificate to=20 anyone who does not have a tangible interest in it."

www.snopes.com

#109 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 08:42 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I know of a woman who was born in a certain city, born when the = family=20 was in the middle of a family move. Yet, the woman's mother had = her birth=20 announced in the newspaper of the city to which the family was = moving.=20

Interesting, a birth announcement in a city that was not the = city of=20 original birth.

And Rogue, there is tangible interest. And clearly Mr. Messiah = knows=20 this and could end all of this right now. Yet thousands and = thouands of=20 dollars have been spent to keep it under raps.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm!"

#110 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-12-05=20 08:57 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Yet thousands and thouands of dollars have been spent to keep = it under=20 raps."

where do they get this crap?
tell me dear dummy who is = listed as=20 Respondant lawyer in Bergs case, here is link:
origin.ww= w.supremecourtus.gov

don't be afraid, just look, after all it's the Supreme Court = Web=20 site!

is it Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General, United States = Department of=20 Justice?

where do you get your info from WND?

#111 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 09:06 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"I know of a woman who was born in a certain city, born when = the family=20 was in the middle of a family move. Yet, the woman's mother had = her birth=20 announced in the newspaper of the city to which the family was=20 moving."

I don't know how things work currently now that many newspapers = charge=20 to have announcements printed, but in the good old days you didn't = put in=20 birth or death announcements - the newspapers took them from = public=20 records. And if you look at the copies from the Honolulu papers, = you can=20 see they are from the "Vital Statistics" section.

#112 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 09:11 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Interesting, a birth announcement in a city that was not the = city of=20 original birth."

Since 1952 the Honolulu Advertisor has stated "IMPORTANT: You = must=20 attach a photocopy of your baby's official state-issued birth = certificate;=20 we cannot print your announcement without it."

http://www.hono= luluadvertiser.com/section/births

so one more party to the conspiracy! keep it up = dummies!

#113 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 09:14 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

So where is it VMA? Where is the birth certificate?

A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. Where = is the=20 birth certificate?

The so-called "on line photocopy" is NOT a birth = certificate.

#114 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-12-05=20 09:18 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

So where is it VMA? Where is the birth certificate?

#115 | Posted by TheOneBS

Can you read? It is right where it is supposed to be.

"Also in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they = had=20 personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth = certificate:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in=20 Hawaii.

#115 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 09:35 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone = else's=20 time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in = two=20 seconds?

Logically, it doesn't make any sense for Obama to take action = here.=20 He's either (a) born in Hawaii and knows it, so he doesn't care = how long=20 the Birthers rant about this, or (b) trying to pull off one of the = biggest=20 crimes in U.S. history, so he doesn't want to give the story any=20 legitimacy.

Personally, I think this crazy allegation should completely be = put to=20 rest by the fact his birth was announced in a Hawaii newspaper on = Aug. 13,=20 1961:

thebruceblo= g.wordpress.com

#116 | Posted by rcade = at 2008-12-05=20 09:35 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

THEONEBS check out your favrite site that says, and I quote = from WND=20 article:
A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth = certificate=20 utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. = The=20 investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers = to=20 determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few = bloggers=20 added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't = originally=20 there.

original article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=3DPAGE.view&pageId=3D= 73214
now=20 explain that one!
note: this points to archived copy as WND = deleted=20 story as they recieved complants from reasders (like = THEONEBS?)

by the way during the campaign, McCain's people could not match = Obama's=20 popularity so they pushed "The One" to try belittle it, is that = where you=20 got THEONEBS, from a failed McCain strategy? just = curious.

#117 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 09:41 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

thebruceblog.wordpress.com

#117 | Posted by rcade

"It (the birth announcement) has never been posted online in = spite of=20 the extensive controversy over Obama's birth certificate."

Actually its been on factcheck.org for some time now.

#118 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 09:42 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

born in Hawaii and knows it

Of course he was. Everything is in order. There is not a shred = of=20 evidence otherwise.

If one's political enemies are focused on hunting invisible = foxes, why=20 stop them?

#119 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2008-12-05=20 09:48 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Friday Dec. 5, 2008, today is the big day that the wingnuts = been=20 waiting for, US Supreme Court to demand Obama's proof of birth. = though=20 this will not happen, they so excited about this that I worry for = their=20 health when they feel the disappointment that is surely coming in = the=20 Donofrio Docket. Now what do you think they will do next? anybody = want to=20 guess?

#120 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 10:33 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

(b) trying to pull off one of the biggest crimes in U.S. = history, so he=20 doesn't want to give the story any legitimacy.

#117 | Posted by rcade

personally I'm going ever hopefully for the superbaby ~ to = future=20 godfather of the NWO manifesto scenario...aka 666

party on theoneidiot:>)

#121 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 10:49 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

of course Obama could be a walkin...

that should could mess things up...I mean, how does one keep = walkins=20 from voting in US elections?

http://www.salemctr= .com/newage/center27.html

#122 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 11:01 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

These guys are the Republican version of community organizers.=20 Although, if Alan Keyes is invovled the case must have merit. Or = should I=20 say demerit.
Thank God Obama didn't benefit from Affirmative = Action. If=20 he had Clarence Thomas would be very motivated to hear this=20 case.

#123 | Posted by tiger150 at 2008-12-05=20 11:29 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?"

Wait a second. This is a law suit that was brought forth by = Alan=20 Keyes, is it not? Keyes is black.

#124 | Posted by everlong at 2008-12-05=20 11:43 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I'd like to know WTF those who are bringing this action hope to = accomplish.

Lemmesee here:

1) Get Obama's birth certificate ruled invalid.

2) Hand election over to John McCain and Sarah Palin.

3) Plunge United States into outright depression and civil = war.

Sounds like a righty plan.

#125 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2008-12-05=20 11:49 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

go keyes, go! nail the superbaby 666!

#126 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 11:52 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Interesting, a birth announcement in a city that was not = the city=20 of original birth."

Well, that's that. Case closed! End of story! = Game=20 over!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, = some even=20 holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, = people=20 like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on = President-elect=20 Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they = have=20 him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone = calls NOW,=20 to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama = they need=20 to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the = moon. No=20 question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

#127 | Posted by Hans = at 2008-12-05=20 12:08 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"So where is it VMA? Where is the birth = certificate?"

Well, that's that. Case closed! End of story! = Game=20 over!

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they = have=20 him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone = calls NOW,=20 to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

Hans

#128 | Posted by Hans = at 2008-12-05=20 12:11 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Will go nowhere because he is black and supported by all the = black=20 idiots in America. And maybe they will be the first to suffer = under this=20 MUSLIM WHACKJOB

#129 | Posted by Badeye at 2008-12-05=20 12:31 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I think they should hear the case. Not just to have the = accusers prove=20 their case, but SCOTUS could make the State's authentication of = Birth=20 proof of eligiblity for office.

Once SCOTUS does this, lower courts can point to this one and = shut down=20 the lawsuits.

And, if this is just a big phony legal fight, SCOTUS can bar = them from=20 coming before them again, threaten sanctions, and let the BAR deal = with=20 them.

#130 | Posted by Petrous at 2008-12-05=20 12:31 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"MUSLIM WHACKJOB"

So let me get this straight...

Obama attended Rev. Wright's Christian Church for 20 years, and = that=20 proves he's a Muslim...

...and McCain never goes to church, which proves he's a = Christian.

Have I got that right?

#131 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-12-05=20 12:34 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Contrary to what all you believe, the person driving this is a=20 Democrat. You can't give the republicans the blame on this. = However, the=20 premise is not based on his birth certificate. It evolves around = whether=20 or not he's still considered a citizen after he was dragged off to = Malaysia. At the time, there was no such thing as a dual = citizenship. If=20 that is true then when he left for Malaysia, did he forfeit his=20 citizenship? If that was the case and he had to reapply for = citizenship=20 then the question is if he can still claim his citizenship = according to=20 the constitution. If he had to reapply for his citizenship then = some say=20 it would negate his natural born citizenship status.

Again, I haven't touched on that, just did a little research on = it. I=20 haven't even taken an opinion on it one way or the other. Although = these=20 questions should have been asked back when he was running for = office not=20 after he has been elected. The time to ask these questions were = back when=20 he submitted his papers for entry into the election race.

Lonnie

#132 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2008-12-05=20 12:55 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Indonesia, Lonnie, Indonesia.

And you don't lose your citizenship by moving to another = country. You=20 lose it by either renouncing it, or being involved in certain = illegal=20 activities such as taking up arms against your country.

#133 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 01:03 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

FF Sanantoni

#134 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 01:09 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Theonebs...wow...I never guessed The-One-BS...I honestly = thought it was=20 Theodore Nebs, like it was somebody's name.

#135 | Posted by john47 at 2008-12-05=20 01:10 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

OK, just for your Birthers out there, here's your moment of = Zen...

= dcist.com

The thousands of protesters gathered outside the Supreme Court = this=20 morning supporting the law suit because they believe so strongly = in this=20 issue.

Ok, the 15 protesters who wandered by for a few = minutes.

#136 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 01:11 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Hmmm... sounds about right:

But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in = the=20 psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's = little=20 chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency = will=20 ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or = data that=20 will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the = publisher=20 of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and = who holds=20 an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more = data you=20 present a person, the more they doubt it... Once you're committed, = especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the = more=20 impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a=20 conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind = refuses to=20 accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with = Political=20 Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as = you=20 criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the = conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate = professor at=20 the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the = tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a = lot of=20 the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington = says.=20 "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this=20 evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the = narrative;=20 every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the=20 controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new=20 plotters.

#137 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 01:43 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"The more data you present a person, the more they doubt = it... Once=20 you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially = committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your = mind."

~SAR

If anyone doubts this claim just turn on "Coast to Coast with = George=20 Noory' on any given evening and listen fer yerselves fer = proof.

/Do stop after about 15 minutes before permanent brain loss = sets=20 in.

Be Well.

#138 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-12-05=20 01:50 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Edgar, your skin is hangin off your bones."

And Edgar was played by Vincent Donofrio

*ding ding ding*

We have a winner!

#93 | Posted by goatman

And the movie was Men in Black...

#139 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-05=20 01:53 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Rcade calls them the "Birthers"--priceless--lol

#140 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-05=20 01:53 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Ok, the 15 protesters who wandered by for a few minutes.

#137 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Are you sure there are even 15?

This lawsuit does not take into the account the mother--so all = this=20 ballyhoo over dual citizenship of the father is weird.

(That is a legal technical term--weird).

#141 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-05=20 02:00 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Are you sure there are even 15?"

I only counted 14 in the photo, but I wanted to give them the = benefit=20 of the doubt. ; )

#142 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 02:01 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

The courts will give obama a pass, Imagine the headlines "DNC = ran a=20 foreigner and got away with it"
The court will give obama an OJ = free=20 pass,

To a rat the constitution means nothing.

#143 | Posted by bushtwice at=20 2008-12-05=20 02:04 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

#144 | Posted by bushtwice

I cordially invite to you read my #138 and then contemplate = your navel=20 for a while.

#144 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 02:07 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I only counted 14 in the photo, but I wanted to give them the = benefit=20 of the doubt. ; )
#143 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

You forgot the guy behind the camera. *Presto* 15!

#145 | Posted by bartimus at 2008-12-05=20 03:04 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"I believe the man is lying, I would have posted my birth = record in=20 a heart beat, what possible damage could this do to = anyone?"

There you have it! Belief that a politician is "lying." Well, = I'm sure=20 that will just convince EVERYONE.

But the people here, these Birthers like = bushtwice, by=20 golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should = make=20 those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too = late!

And after bushtwice and the others have slayed President-elect = Barack=20 Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those = elusive=20 smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will = prove those=20 "real" as well.

Hans

#146 | Posted by Hans = at 2008-12-05=20 03:22 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"The court will give obama an OJ free pass,"

What a dumbass!

#147 | Posted by Dave = at 2008-12-05=20 03:22 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Are you sure there are even 15?"

I only counted 14 in the photo, but I wanted to give them the = benefit=20 of the doubt. ; )

#143 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

One of them is scziophrenic

"Birthers" think someone can register with the Federal Election = Commission and get on the ballot as a Presidential candidate = without=20 having proven they're a natural born citizen and eligible?

Funny. Love that term too, "Birthers". Same number of letters = as=20 "Blather"

#148 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-05=20 03:28 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"Contrary to what all you believe, the person driving this is a = Democrat"

Donofrio is not a Democrat, you referring to Berg who claims he = is a=20 Democrat and wants Hillary in, and every court he put this stuff = in threw=20 it out. Berg's case is toast! The Dec 5th conference may or may = not discus=20 Donofrio vs. New Jersey

the vast majority of believers in this crap are wingnuts that=20 continually spout "driving this is a Democrat", makes them feel = good!

revision: make that ignorant wingnuts, OK?
minor note: the=20 conference in Supreme Court is for a case that was dismissed, but = idiots=20 are pinning their hopes on an irrational believe the court will = ban Obama.=20 Yah sure, really dumb huh?

Donfrio Docket in Supreme Court:
origin.ww= w.supremecourtus.gov

#149 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 03:33 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I just watched the CNN piece on this appeal to the SCOTUS.

The issue at hand (as they tell it) is not that Obama was born = in=20 Kenya, but that his father had British citizenship due to the fact = Kenya=20 was still a British colony in 1961. Thus, Obama would have had = dual=20 citizenship.

However, that dual citizenship expired when he turned 21.

The "He was born in Kenya" argument must have come from one of = the=20 fringe websites in relation to any of the plethora of other = frivolous=20 lawsuits trying to overturn a fair election by the voters of = America by=20 any means necessary.

It's up on their website right now.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/12/05/are= na.obama.citizenship.cnn

#150 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-05=20 04:22 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I don't care where Barack Obama was born...This man has=20 brains,intelligence, and a sense of decency that this country = desperately=20 needs. After 8 years of a patholgically lying childlike mentality = fucking=20 idiot who has sent America to new lows in every catagory from our = economy=20 to human rights to how America is now perceived by the rest of the = world=20 as a bunch of imperialist, money grubbing, power happy, war = mongering=20 jackasses....we should be kissing Barrack Obamas ass and begging = him to be=20 our President.

#151 | Posted by USATrueandBlue7 at 2008-12-05=20 04:23 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

US True and Blue. There is a thing called the US Constitution = that=20 states that a person running for office of the president must be a = natural=20 born citizen.

You can say he is a great choice, you can worship the ground he = walks=20 on...but this country was founded on the principles that NO ONE is = above=20 the law.

We have seen that principle ignored by our current = representitives in=20 the form of allowing ILLEGAL (defined as not legal) aliens into = this=20 country to the detriment of our healthcare, schools and = employment.

We cannot be a country that requires our citizens to obey the = laws IF=20 we turn on heads to ignore a president-elect that does not qualify = under=20 the law.

We need to establish a separate group under the supreme court = to=20 certify the validity of Obama or anyone else.

If we do not hold the law to be sacrosanct - then the documents = like=20 "the Bill of Rights" are not binding either.

#152 | Posted by foshaffer at=20 2008-12-05=20 04:49 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Donofrio wasn't announced today as one of the two cases the = court=20 decided to take.

#153 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-05=20 04:51 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"We need to establish a separate group under the supreme = court to=20 certify the validity of Obama or anyone else."

Yeah! Certify his validity!!! Yeah!

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they = have=20 him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone = calls NOW,=20 to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

Hans

#154 | Posted by Hans = at 2008-12-05=20 04:53 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Donofrio wasn't announced today as one of the two cases the = court=20 decided to take.

#154 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

#155 | Posted by Bani = at 2008-12-05=20 05:00 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

There is a thing called the US Constitution that states that = a=20 person running for office of the president must be a natural born=20 citizen.

FOSHAFFER

There's this little thing called the Federal Election = Commission who=20 certify a Presidential candidate is a natural born American = citizen before=20 they're allowed to be on a ballot.

It's really funny how these disparate groups can't agree on = their=20 argument. Some claim he was born in Kenya, some claim he was born = in=20 Hawaii but 'dual citizenship' precludes him from office (which = would have=20 expired when he was 21), while others claim his move to Indonesia = when he=20 was 5 meant he renounced his U.S. citizenship.

All laughable in light of paragraph 1.

Some hate him because he's Democrat, others hate him because = his skin=20 is brown. What a country!

#156 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-05=20 05:06 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

"US True and Blue. There is a thing called the US Constitution = that=20 states that a person running for office of the president must be a = natural=20 born citizen."

since Obama is a natural born citizen, what's your = problem
so as far=20 as you are concerned, we now we have to include Supreme Court = among those=20 that violate the constitution, WOW!

#157 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 06:22 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

for those that wish to see more than rumors about what Supreme = Court=20 may or may not do, the Supreme Court has a blog detailing their = actions,=20 very good info:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/<= BR>

how many of you conspiracy nuts are aware of this site or do = you just=20 pull crap out of your ass?
wingnuts won't go to this site, they = don't=20 want facts just the rumors

according to scholars that research this type of wingnut = behavior show=20 that they will block anything from proving their conspiracies = wrong, they=20 are sick. Now they will include Supreme Court along with Hawaii as = in on=20 the scam, nothing will change thier little minds.

#158 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 06:44 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If it's any comfort, the Cult of the Live Birth is also giving = major=20 Red State blogs fits.

These Cultists are dismayed by nothing. Even evidence they've = been=20 faking evidence is shrugged off.

#159 | Posted by Zed at = 2008-12-05=20 06:50 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court announced it = would=20 consider two cases Friday, but a lawsuit challenging = President-elect=20 Barack Obama's citizenship wasn't one of them.

Doesn't mean they won't - a full list of cases they decide to = hear will=20 be out by Monday.

But its not looking too good, Birthers.

#160 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 06:53 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Why is it so difficult to produce a birth certificate? If he = can't do=20 this simple act, then how can he handle being POTUS???
Oh = that's=20 right, that is why he voted present so many times, because he = can't handle=20 such hard things.

#161 | Posted by shyeager at 2008-12-05=20 10:44 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Obama doesn't have to show YOU his birth certificate.

The problem is idiots can't get it through their head the = raised stamp=20 is on the back of Hawaiian birth certificates. Then there's = the=20 three different arguments the 'birthers' are making. Funny, funny, = hilarious!!

#162 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-05=20 10:48 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

#161 | Posted by shyeager at 2008-12-05 10:44 PM | Reply | = Flag:=20 Incredibly lame old talking points that have been discussed and = debunked=20 ad nauseam

#163 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-05=20 10:56 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

here is list of all conferences to be discussed by Supreme = Court on=20 12/05 and 12/08
SCOTUS quote "As always, the list contains the=20 petitions on the Court's paid docket that Tom has deemed to have a = reasonable chance of being granted"
conferences on December 5 = and=20 December 12.
please carefully note
NO DONOFRIO, repeat NO = DONOFRIO,=20 Got it?

Supreme Court link:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/petitions-to-watch-conferences-= of-12508-121208/

it's bye bye to Donofrio not wait for Monday, got it?

come on wingnuts, what do you say?

#164 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05=20 11:23 PM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

State of Hawaii printed a copy of BC for Obama in 2007, which = is what=20 any state will do, my 14yr old grandson needed to get a passport = this=20 year, the BC sent to him was printed in 2008 (lazer printed)

and one of Birther's proudly states "...he posted a fake = certifictae,=20 that type style wasn't available till 1980", these people are = really=20 ignorant, but it was a good laugh!

just thought I would share a bit of humor!

#165 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-06=20 01:12 AM | Reply=20 | Flag: Flag: NewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

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