Down The Rabbit-Hole
Sightings from The Catbird Seat
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Down the Rabbit-Hole
Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of
having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister was
reading, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, `and what is the use of a
book,' thought Alice `without pictures or conversation?'
So she was considering in her own mind (as well as she could, for the hot day
made her feel very sleepy and stupid), whether the pleasure of making a daisy-chain would be worth the trouble of getting up and picking the daisies, when
suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her.
There was nothing so very remarkable in that; nor did Alice think it so very much
out of the way to hear the Rabbit say to itself, `Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be late!'
(when she thought it over afterwards, it occurred to her that she ought to have
wondered at this, but at the time it all seemed quite natural); but when the Rabbit
actually took a watch out of its waistcoat-pocket, and looked at it, and then
hurried on, Alice started to her feet, for it flashed across her mind that she had
never before seen a rabbit with either a waistcoat-pocket, or a watch to take out of
it, and burning with curiosity, she ran across the field after it, and fortunately was
just in time to see it pop down a large rabbit-hole under the hedge.
In another moment down went Alice after it, never once considering how in the
world she was to get out again....
– Lewis Carroll, Alice In Wonderland
Underground Bases and the
New World Order
A Lecture By Phil Schneider: May 1995
Phil Schneider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to what appeared
to be a military-style execution in January 1996. He was found dead in his
apartment with piano wire still wrapped around his neck. According to some
sources, he had been brutally tortured repeatedly before being killed.
Phil Schneider was an ex-government engineer who was involved in building
underground bases. He was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire
fight between the large Greys and U.S. intelligence and military forces at
Dulce underground base.
In May 1995, Phil Schneider did a lecture on what he had discovered. Seven
months later he was tortured and killed by those for whom he had previously
worked. This man's final acts should not go unnoticed.
~ ~ ~
"It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal government that I
feel directly imperiled not to tell anybody about this material. How long I
will be able to do this is anybody's guess. However, I would like to mention
that this talk is going to be broken up into four main topics. Each of these
topics will have some bearing on what you people are involved in, whether you
are patriots or not.
"I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I have
gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country that has
the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like these United
"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went
through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field, and I built up
a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural engineer
with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main
bases in the United States that have some significance as far as what is
called the New World Order.
“The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a
firefight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably
the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under
close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files of the
entire operation. Sixty-six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the
like, died in that firefight. I was there.
"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking.
Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very unbelievable,
though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm going to ask you to put your
"scepticals" on. But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the
Freedom of Information Act isn't much to go on, but it's the best we've got.
The local law library is a good place to look for Congressional Records. So, if
one continues to do their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in
regard to their country.
Deep Underground Military Bases
and the Black Budget
"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I would not be
standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not believe it was so. The
first part of this talk is going to concern deep underground military bases
and the black budget.
“The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross
national product of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes
$1.25 trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programs, like
those concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently, there are
129 deep underground military bases in the United States.
"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since
the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These
bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed
magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have
been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them.
Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect, has risked his life by talking about this.
He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground
military bases. In around where you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them.
"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically
whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in
size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long
in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as
we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending on these
“If I had known at the time I was working on them that the NWO was
involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather extensively.
Development of Military Technology, Implied German
Interest in Hyperspacial Technology, and More
"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year that
transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This is why it is
easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to create, through the
use of vaccum tube technology, a ship that could literally disappear from one
place and appear in another place. My father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought
on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, and was
captured and repatriated in the United States. He was involved with
different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the
Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took
pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have
original photographs of that test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing
the bomb site at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested
with them, especially under the water, and the natives had problems with
their animals being mutilated. At that time, General MacArthur felt that the
next war would be with aliens from other worlds.
"Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the
Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What does that have
to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact that he was my father. I don't
agree with what he did on the other side, but I think he had a lot of guts in
coming here. He was hated in Germany. There was a $1 million reward,
payable in gold, to anyone who killed him. Obviously, they didn't succeed.
Anyway, back to our topic - deep underground bases.
The Fire Fight At Dulce Base
"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government
decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a
treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada Treaty, which
basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows
and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they
had to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the
bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this
was the reality, and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was
involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at
Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels and
over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct
holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out
large sections at a time.
“My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and
recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I was headed
down there, we found ourselves amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that
time, there were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this
started, and all of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground
base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our
planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a lot of
what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts.
"Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box
on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt
radiation. I have had cancer because of that.
"I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at
Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating after the
1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and
other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of peculiar
spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob Lazar's story? He
was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion factor in
some of these craft.
Schneider's Worries About Government Factions,
Railroad Cars and Shackle Contracts
"Now, I am very worried about the activity of the federal government. They
have lied to the public, stonewalled senators, and have refused to tell the
truth in regard to alien matters. I can go on and on. I can tell you that I am
rather disgruntled. Recently, I knew someone who lived near where I live in
Portland, Oregon. He worked at Gunderson Steel Fabrication, where they
make railroad cars. Now, I knew this fellow for the better part of 30 years,
and he was kind of a quiet type. He came in to see me one day, excited, and
he told me "they're building prisoner cars." He was nervous. Gunderson, he
said, had a contract with the federal government to build 107,200 full length
railroad cars, each with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11 sub-contractors
in this giant project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars for the
contract. Bethlehem Steel and other steel outfits are involved. He showed
me one of the cars in the rail yards in North Portland. He was right. If you
multiply 107,200 times 143 times 11, you come up with about 15,000,000.
This is probably the number of people who disagree with the federal
government. No more can you vote any of these people out of office. Our
present structure of government is "technocracy", not democracy, and it is a
form of feudalism. It has nothing to do with the republic of the United
States. These people are god-less, and have legislated out prayer in public
schools. You can get fined up to $100,000 and two years in prison for praying
in school. I believe we can do better. I also believe that the federal
government is running the gambit of enslaving the people of the United
States. I am not a very good speaker, but I'll keep shooting my mouth off
until somebody puts a bullet in me, because it's worth it to talk to a group
like this about these atrocities.
America's Black Program Contractors
"There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There are
29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the U.S. Congress
five-year plan for these is $245.6 million. You couldn't buy the spare parts
for these black programs for that amount. So, we've been lied to. The black
budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand billion.
A trillion dollars weighs 11 tons. The U.S. Congress never sees the books
involved with this clandestine pot of gold.
“Contractors of sleuth programs: EG&G, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas,
Morrison- Knudson, Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar
Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, Mitsibishi Industries, Rider Trucks,
Bechtel, *I.G. Farben*, plus a host of hundreds more.
“Is this what we are supposed to be living up to as freedom- loving people? I
don't believe so.”
Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat
"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected by the
black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry. By the way,
none of the stealth program would have been available if we had not taken
apart crashed alien disks. None of it. Some of you might ask what the "space
shuttle" is "shuttling". Large ingots of special metals that are milled in space
and cannot be produced on the surface of the earth. They need the near
vaccum of outer space to produce them. We are not even being told anything
close to the truth. I believe our government officials have sold us down the
drain - lock, stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by
the U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the highest
in the world. I believe the Star Wars program is there solely to act as a
buffer to prevent alien attack - it has nothing to do with the "cold war",
which was only a toy to garner money from all the people - for what? The
whole lie was planned and executed for the last 75 years.
Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by
U.S. Agencies and the United Nations
"Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug Enforcement
Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical weaponry for as much as
40% of their operations budget. This in 1993, and the figures have gone up
considerably since. The United Nations used American stealth aircraft for
over 28% of its collective worldwide operations from 1990 to 1992,
according to the Center for Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.
The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force
Origins of the Bosnia Conflict
"The Guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct classifications
of police that guard our most well-kept secrets.
“Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force (MJTF), sometimes called
the Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-national tactical force primarily
used to guard the various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the way, there were
172 stealth aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there were at last count about
162. Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks ago to the United
Nations. There have been indications that the Delta Force was sent over to
Bosnia during the last days of the Bush administration as a covert sniper
force, and that they started taking pot shots at each side of the
controversy, in order to actually start the Bosnia conflict that would be used
by succeeding administrations for political purposes.
Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States
"I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade Center
bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some- odd varieties of
chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right after the blast. The
concrete was puddled and melted. The steel and the rebar was literally
extruded up to six feet longer than its original length. There is only one
weapon that can do that - a small nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type
nuclear device. Obviously, when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that
did the damage, they're lying 100%, folks. The people they have in custody
probably didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe
that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as killing a
Jewish rabbi in New York.
“However, I want to further mention that with the last explosion in
Oklahoma City, they are saying that it was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that
"First, they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertilizer bomb. Then, it
was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now its 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds
of fertilizer in a Rider Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se. I
know the chemical structure and the application of construction explosives.
My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more than 13 deep
underground military bases in the United States. I worked on the Malta
project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can tell you from
experience that a nitrate explosion would not have hardly shattered the
windows of the federal building in Oklahoma City. It would have killed a few
people and knocked part of the facing off the building, but it would have
never have done that kind of damage. I believe I have been lied to, and I am
not taking it any longer, so I'm telling you that you've been lied to.
The Truth Behind the Republican Contract With America
"I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than six months
of life left in this country, at the present rate. We are the laughing stock of
the world, because we are being hoodwinked by so many evil people that are
running this country. I think we can do better. I think the people over 45
are seriously worried about their future. I'm going to run some scary
scenarios by you. The Contract With America. It contains the same
terminology that Adolph Hitler used to subvert Germany in 1931. I believe we
can do better. The Contract With America is a last ditch effort by our
federal government to tear away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence
"The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the
United States. For every hour that goes by, there is one being built. Is this
the proper use of our money? What does the federal government need
64,000 tactical helicopters for, if they are not trying to enslave us. I doubt
if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I doubt if all the world needs
that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth aircraft loaded with LIDAR and
computer-enhanced imaging radar. They can see you walking from room to
room when they fly over your house. They see objects in the house from the
air with a variation limit of 1 inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate that
is. Now, I worked in the federal government for a long time, and I know
exactly how they handle their business.
Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as
a Bioweapon Based on Alien Excretions
"The federal government has now invented an earthquake device. I am a
geologist, and I know what I am talking about. With the Kobe earthquake in
Japan, there was no pulsewave as in a normal earthquake. None. In 1989,
there was an earthquake in San Francisco. There was no pulse wave with that
one either. It is a Tesla device that is being used for evil purposes. The black
budget programs have subverted science as we know it.
Look at AIDs, invented by the National Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago,
Illinois in 1972. It was a biological weapon to be used against the people of
the United States. The reason I know this is that I have seen the
documentation by the Office of Strategic Services, which by the way is
still in operation to this day, through the CDC in Atlanta. They used the
glandular excretions of animals, humans and alien humanoids to create the
virus. These alien humanoids the government is hobnobbing with are the
worst news. There is absolutely no defense against their germs - none. They
are a biological weapon of terrible consequence. Every alien on the planet
needs to be isolated.
"Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a similar biological
weapon. Do we, the people of this planet, deserve this? No, we don't, but we
are not doing anything about it. Every moment we waste, we are doing other
people on the planet a disservice. Right now, I am dying of cancer that I
contracted because of my work for the federal government. I might live six
months. I might not. I will tell you one thing. If I keep speaking out like I am,
maybe God will give me the life to talk my head off. I will break every law
that it takes to talk my head off. Eleven of my best friends in the last 22
years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called "suicides."
“Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a friend down to Joshua Tree,
near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains in order to get to Needles,
California, and I was followed by two government E-350 vans with G-14
plates, each with a couple of occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew
exactly who they were. I have spoken 19 times and have probably reached
45,000 people. Well, I got ahead of them and came to a stop in the middle of
the road. They both went on either side of me and down a ravine. Is this
what its going to take? I cut up my security card and sent it back to the
government, and told them if I was threatened, and I have been, that I was
going to upload 140,000 pages of documentation to the internet about
government structure and the whole plan. I have already begun that task.
"Thank you very much."
End of May 1995 Lecture
December 11, 2001
Security guards for 'nowhere' strike
for contract, higher pay
By KEITH ROGERS, Las Vegas Review-Journal
A group of 70 security guards known as the "camo dudes" walked off their
jobs Monday in Las Vegas and at the covert military installation known as
Area 51, a place they said they can't talk about.
"Use your imagination," union President Vernell Hall said when asked where
he worked as he and more than a dozen other striking security officers
displayed "On Strike" signs on Haven Street near McCarran International
That is where nondescript passenger jets, known as Janet planes, routinely
take the guards and other workers to the installation on the dry bed of
Groom Lake, 90 miles north of Las Vegas, a place they referred to only as
"nowhere" and "out of town."
Hall, leader of the Security Police Association of Nevada, an in-house
collective bargaining unit, said the association's members decided to go on
strike after three months of negotiations for a new contract with their
employer, EG&G Technical Services Inc., ended in a stalemate.
Hall said the issues include lack of adequate wages and benefits.
"There's been too much overtime since Sept. 11. Overtime on top of
overtime," Hall said.
Greg Rentchler, security manager for EG&G, confirmed that about 70 guards
went on strike early Monday at the company's Grier Drive offices and at
"They work at remote test locations. They support the Nellis (Air Force)
ranges," Rentchler said.
"We have a close relationship with these guys, and they are in negotiations as
we speak," he said.
Rentchler said supervisors are manning the posts vacated by the striking
He said the guards previously held a contract with another company, EG&G
Special Projects, until a new one was signed in 1996 with EG&G Technical
Services Inc. He said EG&G Technical Services Inc. holds a contract with
the federal government to provide services for the Department of Defense,
including a security guard force.
Although Rentchler would not give details about his reference to "remote
locations," a source familiar with the guard force said last week that the
guards would strike at 3 a.m. Monday. The source said many of the guards
had been assigned to Area 51, the much-publicized, 38,400-acre Groom Lake
installation where high-tech U.S. aircraft are tested.
It is the same place where former workers at the installation have charged
that coatings for radar-evading stealth fighter jets were burned in open
trenches, sending toxic clouds into the air that made them ill.
Glenn Campbell, who operates the Internet bookstore Aliens on Earth and
formerly directed an Area 51 watchdog group, said he received an
anonymous call Monday from a man who said "the camo dudes are on
Campbell often has referred to the guards as "camo dudes" because of the
camouflaged uniforms they wear while patrolling places where public lands
border restricted areas around the Groom Lake installation.
While pickets paraded outside the ramp for Janet planes at McCarran,
another group sat in lawn chairs outside EG&G Technical Services offices a
few miles away on Grier Drive. One striking security officer at that location,
Bill Hull, said he wants "fair and equitable treatment from our company."
A 17-year employee, Hull said he hasn't received a pay raise in "14 or 15
years" and said he lost at least 25 percent of his pay when the contract was
switched to EG&G Technical Services in 1996.
Hull, wearing a baseball cap emblazoned with a U.S. flag flanked by two alien-face pins, said he is paid $15.05 per hour but should be making at least
$16.03 per hour.
He said the guards work 12-hour shifts, staying four days "out of town,"
before flying back to Las Vegas and getting three days off.
"We don't get break periods," he said.
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
From Canaries on the Rim: Living downwind in the west, by Chip Ward:
KISSING THE ARMY’S ASS ON THE
COURTHOUSE STEPS AT HIGH NOON
“Are you the guy I see on TV talking against the incinerator?”
It was a phone call out of the blue on a Saturday night in August 1994. I had
hoped I could relax.
“Yeah,” I said warily, “who are you?” I expected an argument. I wanted a
“Steve Jones,” the voice said. “ I am the chief safety officer at Tooele
Incinerator, or at least I was until EG&G fired me on Wednesday.”
Suddenly, I was all ears. The man seemed alarmed. Months later he told me
he had received his first death threat by the time he called me. He needed
to get his story out fast for insurance. It was quite a story.
Jones had been a top safety inspector for the navy and won their most
prestigious award for safety inspection two years in a row. He’d been tapped
by the holy of holies in the inspection world, the inspector general’s office.
Clearly a star in the military realm he moved in, Jones decided to make the
classic move people in such careers make. He accepted a job with a defense
EG&G had built a billion-dollar fortune and reputation by running the
underground nuclear weapons testing site in Nevada. They also tackled such
diverse military tasks as salvaging a broken nuclear sub from the sea floor
and operating the chemical weapons incinerator in Utah. Jones knew all
about the chemical weapons demilitarization program and the plans to build
eight massive incinerators across the nation to get rid of chemical weapons
that are now banned by an international treaty. He had inspected all the
major chemical weapons stockpiles and had access to all the documentation
and communication the program generated. Or, at least he thought he knew
He described his first weeks at the Toole Chemical Disposal Facility, or
TOCDF, incinerator as a series of shocks. TOCDF on paper and TOCDF
under his nose couldn’t have been more at odds. On paper, the plant was
safe, clean, and efficient. Up close, he told me, it was “a bomb ready to go
At the core of the incinerator’s problems was a history of design failure.
The military’s original scheme for getting rid of chemical armaments was the
CHASE – “cut holes and sink ‘em” – scheme, where old ships were loaded with
the evil stuff, towed out to sea, and then sunk. When this method was
perceived as an obvious bad idea, Congress described and funded a process
that was logically designed....
First, they said, build a prototype facility, the smallest burner called CAMDS
for Chemical Agent Munitions Disposal System, that is located right next
door to TOCDF. Learn from the prototype and then redesign. Next, built a
larger pilot plant, the one in the South Pacific known as JACADS, or
Johnston Atoll Chemical Agent Disposal System. Learn again and redesign.
Finally, build a full-scale bomb burner in Utah where the lion’s share of
chemical weaponry in stored. That scenario for design and implementation
could characterized as “start – better – best.” It makes sense.
That’s not how it happened. The PMCD gang, or Program Manager for
Chemical Demilitarization as it was officially called, unfortunately
demonstrated the organizational wherewithal of the Keystone Cops. The
Cold War against the Evil Empire was in full swing. No one was watching.
They built their prototype based on what was known about combustion
technology in the late seventies – early eighties. Then, incineration was on
the cutting edge, at least compared with dumping garbage off a barge. Since
then, more than 240 proposed incinerators have been defeated by nearby
communities as incineration has accumulated a reputation for poisonous
So the Pentagon may have climbed on the wrong train to begin with. But even
had they picked a different technology to do the job, they guaranteed a
troubled design. Before the CAMDS prototype was tested out, they
designed and then built JACADS. Before JACADS was tested out, they
designed and built TOCDF. Instead of “start – better – best,” they had
“small – medium – large” of the same basic plant design, with all the problems
and flaws passed along from one plant to the next.
What Jones found on the rim of the Great Basin in Utah was an enormous
Rube Goldberg contraption with hundreds of add-ons and complicated
modifications. In his first couple of months on the job, he found thousands
of safety violations, including 150 that were in a safety category for those
that could portend “imminent catastrophic” consequences.
The MITRE Corporation had been hired to do an independent audit of safety
just before Jones arrived. The MITRE report described 3,016 design
deficiencies and pointed out that federally mandated hazard analyses of
design flaws had not been done. Jones’ own analysis agreed. ... He was
particularly upset by conditions he saw in the “unpack area” where munitions
are stripped of packing and prepared for processing. It was “worse than the
Three Stooges,” he said, with worker wrestling rockets with crowbars. “The
worst man-machine interface I have ever seen.”
There were few standard operating procedures for complicated high-risk
tasks. There was minimal safety training and next to no compliance with
safety regulations. The plant was already falling apart. Workers walked
through this safety minefield in shifts, so that for one week a guy was on
days, then swing, then graveyard. Shift rotation was more cost effective
for EG&G. Productivity demands pushed safety aside at every turn. Jones
called it “death by design.”...
As for the state of Utah’s role in monitoring and regulating the incinerator,
Jones thought state agencies had simply “rolled over” to the army and it was
too late to expect more from them because mistakes would have to be
admitted, misjudgments conceded. If the state admitted it had been hasty
or easy, reputations would be tarnished and careers ruined. In the final
analysis, Jones argued, independent oversight by people who understand
safety, engineering, and chemical weapons is called for. He was going to
sound the alarm....
When Jones tried to document his scary discoveries, TOCDF’s general
manager, Henry Silvestri, went ballistic and told him never to put bad news
in writing. Bad news delivered verbally was always met with the same excuse,
“we’re not hot yet.” “Okay,” Jones replied, “you’re not hot, but you’re stupid.”
When Jones was told to sign off on a document proclaiming that the 3,016
design deficiencies identified in the MITRE report posed an “acceptable
risk” and that no corrective action was required, he balked. He knew that by
law he was personally and financially liable if anyone died or was hurt from
one of those flaws. Silvestri was adamant and admonished him to learn to
“please the customer,” in this case the PMCD army.
Silvestri said, according to Jones, “If you have to kiss the army’s ass at
high noon on the courthouse steps, let me know and I’ll come hold your
Jones stood his ground until they pulled the rug out from under him. His
private sector career had lasted less than three months.
He was shocked and offended. “As soon as my friends in the Pentagon find
out what is really going on out here,” he told me over the phone, “they’ll be on
a plane for Utah the next day and shut that plant down.”
“You must know a different army than the one I know,” I replied, “because
the army I know is going to smear your good name from one end of the nation
to the other and you’ll never work in the defense industry again.”
My efforts to persuade him to get a lawyer were confidently rebuffed. He
didn’t need one. He was right. EG&G was wrong. He had credibility in high
places and that was all that would be needed, as if billions of dollars in
contracts, careers, and reputations were not at stake. He wanted to tell his
story and he wanted to talk to the Citizen’s Advisory Committee that was
charged with watching over the incinerator. Could I make it happen?
I hung up the phone and called a local television reporter at home in Park
City.... Within days it had attracted national interest. Throughout the media
circus, Jones continued to display an innocence that astonished me. At one
point I called to tell him I had a phone message from CNN. “Who are they?”
he asked. I explained. “Oh, I don’t have cable,” he said....
The Citizen’s Advisory Committee, or CAC, had been appointed by Utah
governor Michael Leavitt to monitor the incinerator program in Utah.
Although 45 percent of the munitions, or about 10,000 tons, were in our
state and we had both the prototype incinerator and the first full-scale
burner, Utah was the next to last state to appoint a CAC. I had campaigned
for one and often explained to the public officials I managed to corner that
it would be a place for whistleblowers to come to.
The Toole County commissioners couldn’t be persuaded. They didn’t want any
pesky bunch of pointy-headed people looking over their shoulders while they
negotiated with the army over impact fees for the county treasury. They
were in the guv’s political party and he respected their wishes, until
Commissioner Gary Griffith began acting like the head pimp in an
environmental red light district.
The county’s aging hospital was experiencing rough times. Its performance
and reputation were anemic and it needed a transfusion of funding the
county couldn’t afford. Griffith offered to take all the chemical munitions
from all the other stockpile communities across the nation to burn in Tooele
County if he could have several million dollars for a new hospital....
Eventually, county commissioners would get $114 million in property and
about $13 million in cash for just letting the Utah part of the program go
forward. They would use the money to build a county recreation complex
that would include a rodeo stadium, a demolition derby stadium, a mining
museum, and howitzer rides.
After Griffith threw his “what-am-I-bid” bomb, Leavitt had seen enough and
appointed a CAC to provide one more means of monitoring the incinerator.
Jones’ appearance before the committee was its first test.
It failed with flying colors. To placate the offended Tooele County
commissioners, who rightly perceived the appointment of the CAC as an
implied judgement about their inability to monitor the incinerator program on
their own, the CAC was packed with those friendly to the program and in bed
with commissioners. They received Jones coldly, grilled him, and then
CAC member Sid Hullinger said he’ be more inclined to listen to Jones if he
had not created so much publicity around himself, as if whistleblower
protection should only go to those whistleblowers who have surrendered or
suppressed their First Amendment rights.
Jones, he said, was just “disgruntled.” Nobody on the CAC thought to point
out that Hullinger’s trucking firm was well positioned to do business with the
incinerator and he might be agitated and disgruntled by those who could
throw cold water on a lucrative prospect. No one pointed out that Gary
Griffith’s construction firm made piles of money building incinerators. Self-interest, apparently, was subject to a double standard and only applied to the
fired safety manager.
Steve Jones was shocked again. The CAC’s hostile reception was
unexpected. A week later, a team of investigators from the Pentagon who
flew out to check on the Jones charges issued a report saying the safety
problems at TOCDF were what you’d expect to see in an industrial operation
going through a shakedown before firing up. The community Jones was
trying to protect more than shunned him. He had to change his phone
number and ask the police to patrol his house. He got a lawyer.
It was a shame the CAC found whistleblowers embarrassing and upsetting.
Over the next few years a whistleblowers’ parade would march out the
incinerator’s back door. In 1996, the plant’s manager, a long time EG&G
loyalist who was called in to run the place after the Jones story broke and
Henry “kiss their ass” Silvestri took a hasty retirement, also went public
with complaints about a lax safety culture at TOCDF.
Gary Millar compared the situation at the bomb burner with those that
preceded the Challenger disaster, Bhopal, and Three Mile Island. That same
year, John Hall, a conscientious employee, claimed he was harassed out of
his job when he complained about lax safety.
In 1997, it was Trina Allen’s turn. She was the chief of hazardous waste
operations, no small responsibility in a process that produces fifteen pounds
of hazardous waste for every pound of agent burned. According to Allen,
she had witnessed numerous unsafe and noncompliant activities, like the time
a toxic spill in a storage yard was snowplowed against a boundary fence and
More seriously, she had documentation showing arsenic in the burner’s waste
stream. Arsenic could only show up if the chemical agent Lewisite was being
burned, and TOCDF was not set up to burn Lewisite and specifically
prohibited from doing so....
The army and EG&G vehemently denied her claims when she made them and
then, months later after the controversy disappeared from the news, they
quietly admitted they had indeed burned Lewisite....
Jones eventually went to court. EG&G’s team of high-priced lawyers
orchestrated a festival of Jones bashers, company men desperate to show
their loyalty, who charged Jones kept a stuffed monkey in his office and
made fun of bald guys. No wonder he was fired. Besides, they argued, the
Pentagon checked out the charges and found no problems....
One EG&G officer who thought Jones was too strict explained that the
company’s career men were used to running the nuclear war test facility in
Nevada. Burning nerve gas was no big deal compared with blowing up megaton
nuclear devices underground.
Steve’s Greenlaw and Government Accountability Project lawyers, whose
automobiles cost less that the three-piece suits worn by the opposition’s
attorneys, put up a valiant fight. The EG&G and army documents that were
brought to light during the discovery process of the Jones trial and later,
during subsequent legal battles, were revealing. For example, the work diary
of Don Smith, a quality assurance specialist at the incinerator, painted a
portrait of safety officers struggling to be heard and taken seriously by
superiors who constantly ignored them in favor of faster production and
“What is happening at TOCDF,” he wrote in 1997, “is not risk management, it
is gambling. Risk management is the informed assumption of risk. Gambling
is taking uninformed risk and hoping everything will be OK without the
slightest understanding of what the real issues aare. TOCDF has been in
this gambling mode since the project began.”
To be most effective, the written record had to be backed by witnesses and
it was not easy generating witnesses among his former coworkers who had to
walk the EG&G plank to get to the courthouse. Towards the end of the trial,
a friendly witness was visited by army personnel who intimidated him into
silence. Outraged lawyers asked for an FBI investigation and went home
angry. The everybody waited, and waited, and waited.
Finally, in August of 1997, almost three years to the day from the date he
was fired, a federal judge ruled that EG&G should reinstate Jones in his job
and pay him back pay plus a half-million dollars compensation. Or, they could
refuse to reinstate him and cough up back pay plus a million dollars.
In describing EG&G’s testimony and reasoning before her court, Judge Ellen
Shea used words like “mendacity,” “charade,” “pretext,” “lie,” “incredible,”
and “unbelievable.” Impressed by the judge’s tone, the Salt Lake Tribune
issued an editorial that questioned the credibility and integrity of those
trusted to burn nerve agent upwind from us. Jones had kicked the army’s
ass at high noon on the courthouse steps. I was proud to hold his hat.
Nevertheless, EG&G stubbornly appealed. Two appeals boards agreed with
the original decision, though the last one told the giant defense contractor
just to reinstate Jones with back pay, period. If they wanted Jones out,
they could figure out what it was worth to them and deal with him directly....
Steve Jones and his wife paid heavily for his uncompromising principles and
his desire to protect public health. He spent four years that could have
been his prime career earning years huddled with attorneys, talking on the
phone, and trying to hustle a living selling used appliances and real estate.
The stress of the suit and the financial turmoil they were thrown into
eventually tore them apart and they divorced. He sacrificed his career, his
wealth, and his marriage....
Trina Allen also went to court and won. EG&G appealed and lost again. Millar
didn’t have to go to court. EG&G gave him a bankroll and let him keep his
John Hall is still fighting his case.
The CWWG set up a 1-800 hotline number for whistle blowers. They hear
regularly from anonymous employees who tell tales of incompetence and
For more on EG&G, GO TO > > > The Carlyle Group: Birds that Drink from
EG&G Press Release
IRS-CI AUCTIONS 1995 COMMANDER 114TC AIRPLANE
This plane is being auctioned off by the IRS-Criminal Investigation. The
seizure of this airplane is associated with the proceeds of alleged money
laundering and fraud related to the Martin Frankel case out of Connecticut.
In December of 1999, David Rosse, pleaded guilty to racketeering
conspiracy charges. He was Martin Frankel's employee, responsible for
security. As part of his plea agreement, he was obligated to identify assets
related to the case, which would be subject to forfeiture. This 1995 Aero
Commander 114TC Airplane, which had been purchased in Rosse's name, was
one of the assets identified.
Martin Frankel allegedly conspired with others in a $200 million fraud
against several insurance companies. In May of 1999, he fled to Europe and
spent three months as a fugitive until he was arrested in Hamburg, Germany,
in September 1999. German authorities extradited him to the United States
to face a multi-count indictment including RICO (Racketeering Influenced
and Corrupt Organizations Act), RICO conspiracy, wire fraud, and
securities fraud. Frankel is being held without bond, pending his trial.
To date, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Connecticut, has
seized approximately $30 million in cash, gold, diamonds, cars, real property,
and other personal property. An additional $30 million has been seized and
frozen in overseas accounts at the request of the U.S. Attorney's Office.
These funds will likely be subject of civil proceedings in the respective
In Edison last month, 21 of Martin Frankel's luxury cars were sold for
$757,000 at auction.
Airplane Preview: May 15, 2001, from 9:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. at Miami Aviation
Corp., 14980 NW 44 Court, Opa-Locka, FL 33054.
Auction: May 16, 2001, at the Broward County Convention Center: 1950
Eisenhower Blvd., Port Everglades, FL 33316.
Bidding on this plane requires a $25,000 cashiers check deposit made out to
U.S. Customs Service/EG&G Technical Services....
For more information on this and other Department of the Treasury
Auctions, please call 703.273.7373 or go online at
In 1990, the Department of the Treasury contracted with EG&G Technical
Services to manage custody, transportation, storage, and disposal of the
Treasury’s seized property.
Department of the Treasury auctions are conducted by EG&G.
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